Zman3001
Oct 11, 10:15 AM
I'm a medical student so I need my money in my pocket funding my studies! :p And in the UK my study is mostly funded by the government so people are paying for the good of society.
But of course, you do realise there's a difference between wanting everyone to get a fair deal and giving money away for free? You will get compensated for your work as a lawyer, you don't need my money. I just want to see that Atebits is compensated for his work as a dev.
My logic is that people should pay a fair amount for what they get, whereas in society today people only care about the monetary cheapness of things regardless of the wider cost. Cheap foods and electricity at the expensive of the environment, cheap clothes at the expensive of child labour etc.
Well you talk about fairness, I don't think its fair that your studies are funded by the government and mine are not, even though I will be working directly for the government in the very near future. And, its not fair to me that you may very well benefit directly from my work in several ways. For example, say you come to America for a holiday, and you are mugged. It would be my job to help get the guy responsible for your mugging and to be able to put you back to your position before you were mugged, at no cost to you because you are not an American citizen and don't pay taxes. So, I feel toat you owe me money because that would be fair. I know i'm making money as an attorney, but so is Loren on the many, many other projects he has going on for him. Its only fair that we are both compensated justly for everything we do, right? Just like you would want to be compensated by me if I came to your country and needed medical help, it would be nothing out of my pocket, and that doesn't seem fair to you personally doing something without just compensation.
My point is, each of us has our own lives to support, because really when it comes down to it, no one else is giving us a free ride...well except for you and thats not really fair. Well then to educate you, in America, no one gets a free ride. We're all for ourselves here, and then we have to pay taxes up the ass for the people on welfare who mooch off of the welfare system without really doing anything. No ones gonna help me with my law school loans even though the work I am doing will benefit many, many people. I will get a small government salary (criminal prosecutors do not make a lot of money at all, thats why so many attorneys try to go to private practices and big law firms, to make that 6 or 7 figure income). Does that seem fair? No.
Loren is gonna be ok, whether he had charged for Tweetie 2 or not. He has many other things going on, many other products, and he gets paid for those lectures he does. The guys who created youtube didn't charge people to access the videos hosted on their site for free, or charge people each time they updated their servers and software, yet they are rolling in the dough. In America, we thrive on customer satisfaction. I personally do not feel Loren did enough with Tweetie 1 in satisfying his customers before going ahead and charging full price for an "update." And his excuse that Apple didn't provide an upgrade path is a cop out. I read his tweet on the decision; he did it because he "had the balls to do it." He should at least go back to Tweetie 1 and upgrade that as much as possible until he can't anymore. He stated that he wanted to do things to Tweetie that were impossible to do without rewriting the app from scratch. Thats fine, but you can't leave your old customers out in the cold like he did. People paid for Tweetie 1 without knowing that Loren would be pulling this stunt off. Thats not fair to them, they deserve to be satisfied, they paid a fair amount and got ditched, bamboozled, baited and switched. If he wants to justify charging again, then he needs to go back to Tweetie 1 and fix it up as much as possible to satisfy everyone. THAT would be fair. I really hope he sees this too. Its not unprecedented; Microsoft kept XP updated because people didn't want to move to Vista, same with Office 2003 to 2007. Upgrading to Tweetie 2 means you lose out on themes, which were important to many people. Theres no push on Tweetie 2, so those with Tweetie 1 aren't missing out on too much. I think now that Loren has double the income (they haven't taken Tweetie 1 off the app store), he now has sufficient funds to keep Tweetie 1 alive with newer features and updates, until he can't go any farther with the Tweetie 1 code. No free rides for Loren if there are no free rides for the consumer. It means less time doing the university talks and interviews, and more time working for his money.
But of course, you do realise there's a difference between wanting everyone to get a fair deal and giving money away for free? You will get compensated for your work as a lawyer, you don't need my money. I just want to see that Atebits is compensated for his work as a dev.
My logic is that people should pay a fair amount for what they get, whereas in society today people only care about the monetary cheapness of things regardless of the wider cost. Cheap foods and electricity at the expensive of the environment, cheap clothes at the expensive of child labour etc.
Well you talk about fairness, I don't think its fair that your studies are funded by the government and mine are not, even though I will be working directly for the government in the very near future. And, its not fair to me that you may very well benefit directly from my work in several ways. For example, say you come to America for a holiday, and you are mugged. It would be my job to help get the guy responsible for your mugging and to be able to put you back to your position before you were mugged, at no cost to you because you are not an American citizen and don't pay taxes. So, I feel toat you owe me money because that would be fair. I know i'm making money as an attorney, but so is Loren on the many, many other projects he has going on for him. Its only fair that we are both compensated justly for everything we do, right? Just like you would want to be compensated by me if I came to your country and needed medical help, it would be nothing out of my pocket, and that doesn't seem fair to you personally doing something without just compensation.
My point is, each of us has our own lives to support, because really when it comes down to it, no one else is giving us a free ride...well except for you and thats not really fair. Well then to educate you, in America, no one gets a free ride. We're all for ourselves here, and then we have to pay taxes up the ass for the people on welfare who mooch off of the welfare system without really doing anything. No ones gonna help me with my law school loans even though the work I am doing will benefit many, many people. I will get a small government salary (criminal prosecutors do not make a lot of money at all, thats why so many attorneys try to go to private practices and big law firms, to make that 6 or 7 figure income). Does that seem fair? No.
Loren is gonna be ok, whether he had charged for Tweetie 2 or not. He has many other things going on, many other products, and he gets paid for those lectures he does. The guys who created youtube didn't charge people to access the videos hosted on their site for free, or charge people each time they updated their servers and software, yet they are rolling in the dough. In America, we thrive on customer satisfaction. I personally do not feel Loren did enough with Tweetie 1 in satisfying his customers before going ahead and charging full price for an "update." And his excuse that Apple didn't provide an upgrade path is a cop out. I read his tweet on the decision; he did it because he "had the balls to do it." He should at least go back to Tweetie 1 and upgrade that as much as possible until he can't anymore. He stated that he wanted to do things to Tweetie that were impossible to do without rewriting the app from scratch. Thats fine, but you can't leave your old customers out in the cold like he did. People paid for Tweetie 1 without knowing that Loren would be pulling this stunt off. Thats not fair to them, they deserve to be satisfied, they paid a fair amount and got ditched, bamboozled, baited and switched. If he wants to justify charging again, then he needs to go back to Tweetie 1 and fix it up as much as possible to satisfy everyone. THAT would be fair. I really hope he sees this too. Its not unprecedented; Microsoft kept XP updated because people didn't want to move to Vista, same with Office 2003 to 2007. Upgrading to Tweetie 2 means you lose out on themes, which were important to many people. Theres no push on Tweetie 2, so those with Tweetie 1 aren't missing out on too much. I think now that Loren has double the income (they haven't taken Tweetie 1 off the app store), he now has sufficient funds to keep Tweetie 1 alive with newer features and updates, until he can't go any farther with the Tweetie 1 code. No free rides for Loren if there are no free rides for the consumer. It means less time doing the university talks and interviews, and more time working for his money.
someone28624
Feb 9, 10:34 AM
Nice. I wonder if the numbers the Google Voice app generates count as mobile numbers. This is really good for me, as some of my best friends are on Verizon.
gnasher729
Apr 6, 12:37 PM
That's only 1,258,291.2 gigabytes ... If each customer gets, say, 500 megabytes allocated, that's enough for 2,516,582 customers.
Don't know where you get that strange number from.
12 Petabytes = exactly 12 million gigabytes. That would be 500 megabytes for each of 24 million customers.
Don't know where you get that strange number from.
12 Petabytes = exactly 12 million gigabytes. That would be 500 megabytes for each of 24 million customers.
JGowan
Apr 13, 10:10 AM
I didn't get a 4 because I was holding out for a bigger screen. I really want to keep buying Apple products. But at this point, if the phone is delayed or the screen is staying the same size, I am going to have to start checking out some of the HTCs. My 3G is almost unusable since OS4.Enjoy! HTC looks a very capable phone. Cheers! It sounds like you need an upgrade, too. I'm on the original iPhone — but I know whatever I buy will have to do me for 2-3 years so I'm waiting on iPhone 5, no matter what.
Good, bad, right or wrong, Apple [...] it rolls out its "cloud." [...] flips the switch [...] No iPhone until late fall at earliest. Probably not until next year.Nice insight... your sources?
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I can understand frustration — feeling it too, just not venting — the tea leaves all pointed to new iPhones in June and then, Blammo. But we have to realize that Apple does not want to be predictable. We don't really know just exactly how the JAPAN devastation affected Apple and how it will deliver its products. That could be very well what has delayed things. If this is the case, patience is all we can give anybody at this point. They lost so much.
Good, bad, right or wrong, Apple [...] it rolls out its "cloud." [...] flips the switch [...] No iPhone until late fall at earliest. Probably not until next year.Nice insight... your sources?
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I can understand frustration — feeling it too, just not venting — the tea leaves all pointed to new iPhones in June and then, Blammo. But we have to realize that Apple does not want to be predictable. We don't really know just exactly how the JAPAN devastation affected Apple and how it will deliver its products. That could be very well what has delayed things. If this is the case, patience is all we can give anybody at this point. They lost so much.
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Draelius
Sep 26, 11:24 PM
Everyone's been plagued by the same email outages...why should you expect special treatment?
For the same reason everyone else tolerates inferior service.
For the same reason everyone else tolerates inferior service.
bigjohn
Apr 4, 11:45 AM
i didn't pay $499 for my iPhone 4, I paid $299
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upsguy27
Mar 16, 12:31 AM
Recently I had to manually turn my MacBook Pro off after Lion had issues waking from sleep. When I turned it back on, after logging in, the screen just stays stuck at the default mountain wallpaper, with the mouse able to be moved. It never progresses past this point no matter how long I leave it for. Can anyone think of what's wrong/how to fix it? I can boot into Windows fine, which I'm currently typing this on.
Peligro
Jan 9, 02:51 PM
This is my first time witnessing a live Macworld. I made the switch early last year and have become more addicted since. I was hoping for an update to the Mac Pro. A price drop, Cores maybe. Some More Juiciness about Leopard. I think the iPhone is really cool! I'm not that interested tho. I'm happy for everyone that has been dreaming of one.
I found the announcement of the name change to be scary. Obviously this keynote is a good example of how they are dropping the "computer" focus on the company. Which is kinda cool in a way but scary too. Just when I start getting into this whole thing they switch focus? I hope this isn't as bad as I think it could be.
I'm voted on disappointed but I am not totally bummed. I still think it was a great keynote. And I still think Steve and Apple are "Wicked cool". I can't wait to see the video.:cool:
I found the announcement of the name change to be scary. Obviously this keynote is a good example of how they are dropping the "computer" focus on the company. Which is kinda cool in a way but scary too. Just when I start getting into this whole thing they switch focus? I hope this isn't as bad as I think it could be.
I'm voted on disappointed but I am not totally bummed. I still think it was a great keynote. And I still think Steve and Apple are "Wicked cool". I can't wait to see the video.:cool:
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veteq
Feb 20, 06:32 AM
Please share this. Awesome picture
here it is
http://www.redcedarphotography.com/webPics/Misc/Denon103R.jpg
here it is
http://www.redcedarphotography.com/webPics/Misc/Denon103R.jpg
AdrianK
Feb 20, 04:50 AM
http://d.pr/O5YG+
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AppleCode
Aug 4, 08:05 AM
August Desktop
http://a.imageshack.us/img651/5083/screenshot20100804at902.png
http://a.imageshack.us/img651/5083/screenshot20100804at902.png
KDuncan
Feb 15, 02:17 PM
Anybody have 2010 unibody mac mini restore dvds i could borrow? Bought and installed a new Intel X25M ssd but cant for the life of me find my restore dvds. :mad: Can anyone help please?
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miscend
Mar 25, 03:09 PM
Is he the reason OS X has such bad opengl support?
I guess OSX just wasn't meant for gaming/serious 3D graphics work.
It's amazing that Core Audio/Core Midi is better than anything on Windows. But they can't do a great graphics API like Direct X or better Open GL implementation.
I guess OSX just wasn't meant for gaming/serious 3D graphics work.
It's amazing that Core Audio/Core Midi is better than anything on Windows. But they can't do a great graphics API like Direct X or better Open GL implementation.
PlaceofDis
Feb 12, 10:41 PM
congrats guys, i know you all to be good members of the forums so i know that the right choices were made
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Platform
Oct 7, 01:19 AM
Great, Safari needed new features, and it needs even more :D
mdhwoods
Feb 10, 08:02 AM
Ya, switched over this morning. Says for incoming and outgoing so that is pretty good.
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jlyanks85
Dec 26, 01:20 PM
Christmas gifts given to me:
Christmas: 46" 3D led tv I posted earlier in this thread, with 3D blu ray player, 3d starter kit and Shrek movies in 3D.
Also got:
From girlfriend:
Leather jacket
Blue iPod nano for 30 dollars in iTunes gift card
Bose headphones
Armani cologne
Framed New York Yankees picture
Other gifts from parents and other family
Apple tv
clothes
Donkey Kong Country for wii
Kirby for wii
Assassins Creed Brotherhood
Dexter seasons 1-4 boxed set on blu ray
Inception on Bluray
350 dollars cash
Yankee throw rug
Nautica umbrella
Christmas: 46" 3D led tv I posted earlier in this thread, with 3D blu ray player, 3d starter kit and Shrek movies in 3D.
Also got:
From girlfriend:
Leather jacket
Blue iPod nano for 30 dollars in iTunes gift card
Bose headphones
Armani cologne
Framed New York Yankees picture
Other gifts from parents and other family
Apple tv
clothes
Donkey Kong Country for wii
Kirby for wii
Assassins Creed Brotherhood
Dexter seasons 1-4 boxed set on blu ray
Inception on Bluray
350 dollars cash
Yankee throw rug
Nautica umbrella
pimentoLoaf
Jul 9, 03:42 PM
A mini-community within MacRumors, as the magazine often makes reference to MR as a resource for Mac enthusiasts.
w_parietti22
Sep 24, 08:56 PM
Scared, and scarred for life.
Damn them.....
oops... I meant scarred. Typo! :D
Damn them.....
oops... I meant scarred. Typo! :D
Bobjob186
Jun 24, 03:18 PM
$170 shipped?
Littleodie914
Mar 23, 09:17 AM
+1
It seems like Serlet is more of an independent worker who *thinks different* where as Craig is a hardworker but would just "follow." Not making a cheap shot, they're both really good at what they do, just an (maybe wrong) assumption of mine.
In any case, sad to see Serlet go.Nah, I agree completely. Serlet has always struck me as a power user who also knew how to cater to the masses. (Great features for developers/coders, and simple UIs for everyone else.)
Probably off-topic, but Lion seems more "toy-ish" than previous releases. I hope Serlet's departure isn't a sign of things to come.
It seems like Serlet is more of an independent worker who *thinks different* where as Craig is a hardworker but would just "follow." Not making a cheap shot, they're both really good at what they do, just an (maybe wrong) assumption of mine.
In any case, sad to see Serlet go.Nah, I agree completely. Serlet has always struck me as a power user who also knew how to cater to the masses. (Great features for developers/coders, and simple UIs for everyone else.)
Probably off-topic, but Lion seems more "toy-ish" than previous releases. I hope Serlet's departure isn't a sign of things to come.
canucksfan88
Feb 15, 08:58 PM
I want it too. Thank you. :)
i got tired of waiting for the op lol and searched
http://www.zeusbox.com/girls_generation_2560_x_1600_widescreen-wallpapers.html enjoy!
i got tired of waiting for the op lol and searched
http://www.zeusbox.com/girls_generation_2560_x_1600_widescreen-wallpapers.html enjoy!
coder12
Mar 25, 11:13 AM
I'm using Garmin Mobile XT on my Windows mobile phone--it's really really nice.
Using maps on my iPad.... uhhhh.... not so nice :P
Using maps on my iPad.... uhhhh.... not so nice :P
HarryPot
May 6, 01:33 PM
You are welcome to expend the effort to discover the back story. If you choose not to, go ahead keep spouting misinformation and jingoism, but be prepared to be called on it or to simply be ignored as lacking credibility.
No offense, but I'm at least adding something to this thread, granted, it is how I see things, and not the absolute truth. But if you want to come and tell me I'm wrong, at least have the decency to point out why. And if you don't want to write, at least post a link.
And there's no need on using complicated words. And I'm not being patriotic at all in this thread, since I'm not even an American.
No offense, but I'm at least adding something to this thread, granted, it is how I see things, and not the absolute truth. But if you want to come and tell me I'm wrong, at least have the decency to point out why. And if you don't want to write, at least post a link.
And there's no need on using complicated words. And I'm not being patriotic at all in this thread, since I'm not even an American.
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